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1Basics Empty Basics on Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:58 am

Sienna

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To post up photos link is currently down so for now let us start off here


  • C = a horse has won on that course before
  • D = a horse has won over that distance before
  • CD = a horse has won over course and distance
  • BF = beaten favourite Lto
  • C  D = Won over course but not distance, won over distance not course


So if space means this example


Horse A enters Kempton 6f race with C(space)D  by name


Won at Kempton 7f
Won at Lingfield 6f 

Notice won over 6f but not 6f over course

Handicap Race


Means horses are worked out in order of who is best ability.
Highest rated goes at the top basically if the handicapper thinks a horse is really good he is going to make sure he gets weighted. It becomes our job to see if the handicapper is right or wrong. We have to figure out if the horse can carry more weight and still win we will show you how to work this out.

RPR

Basically the higher the RPR the better the more chance it is well handicapped


Odds

Well some do not actually know this, 9/2 is just a easier way of saying £4.50/1 basically you divide the first number by the second and that is the price you get back to the pound.

Penalties

You might see 6(any number)EX by horse weight number this means the horse holds penalties from having a quick turn out, the handicap revised the mark and is carrying that extra weight for this race, this can play to good use in the future i will show you.   


No.Draw Form (will show in photos when works)


  • No. is the number you will see on the cloth when horse is running the big bold number on racecard

  • Draw is used in flat racing and is the small number in brackets next to bold number

  • Form all them numbers 1 means come 1st 2 is 2nd and so on


Claims

That is the small number you see above a jockey if says 6 that means the jockey is claiming 6lbs off the horses back

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Non-handicap races i will show tomorrow hoping photos work again by then

I have plenty more to show just struggling with the photos section working, do not worry it gets easier with the photos and will be taking about loads without trying to overload it all. 

Going give you small challenges to complete to help you learn and you can all have a different ranking system then the rest on the forum a special Basics Price10 badge system my aim is to train someone to compete in a War Games Tournament which is one of the hardest 3 months challenges on here to complete, you be up against 7 other tipsters in knockout rounds my goal make a Basics Price10 War Games champion. 

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2Basics Empty Rossendale Punters club on Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:24 pm

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Nice way of helping people to work out form in handicaps , keep up the good work
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3Basics Empty Re: Basics on Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:27 am

roysho

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Basics Or10

hi! idk where to ask... but im still having doubts with THE OR means. I understood that it something with the weight but i dont undestand why both horses have the same weight but different OR. Hope u can help me..


PS: srry, idk why the image is too small T_T

4Basics Empty Re: Basics on Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:08 am

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Hello mate each horse is giving weight according to its ability in attempting to give each one a fair chance of winning. The handicapper assess the horse race history and gives it a official rating.
So horses with bigger or are better horses so they will have to carry more weight. But some trainers run there horses at different trips in in order for the horse to run a bad race. Does this afew times and the or will have dropped. So sometimes when you see horses form as 5670 or something don't let that put you off. Look at the or if it's come down nicely and you noticed that it's running back at a distance it has got form then it might be worth having a look look.

5Basics Empty Re: Basics on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:00 pm

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tbh i more a speed guy i can get my head round OR but it is veh confusing even for some of ze best that is


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6Basics Empty Re: Basics on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:14 pm

roysho

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I undestand it better now! Thx for ur help guys

7Basics Empty Re: Basics on Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:16 pm

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Dicka is pretty much spot on with what he said, i still get confused with weights myself lol.

If you need help feel free to shout me on twitter Roysho as much easier talking 1on1 for me. 

Weight = Horse Weight
OR = Is rating given to horse by handicapper for horses to carry more or less depending on its competition. 
Claimer = What weight gets taken off for an amateur jockey 

So if i use this as an example for today, Asitohappens in the 4:30 

Weight is 10-0 With OR of 88 and then jockey is carrying a 5lb claimer. When studying you can look for highest weights horses have won at, this helps with finding handicapped horses, which can get you some very good winners. 

So if we look at this horses last run it was 10-0, OR 92 and no claimer 

So on this one the horse its self hasn't gained any weight as you see it is still 10-0 but the handicapper has gave it a lower OR, so it's gone from 92 to 88 so its now 4lbs lighter than its last run, same with if weights change you can see what to do then. Then with claimers you take these away once you've worked out changes in weight and or so this time out has a 5lb claimer so then we take that away. So in total this horse is now 9lbs down it's last run. These things are worth looking at as you can find horses with very bad form where its gained to much weight or trainers have ran bad races on purpose. Getting it back down below its winning weights giving us a nice handicap where horses then tend to perform again. Hope this helps

8Basics Empty Re: Basics on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:19 pm

roysho

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@Atlas wrote:Dicka is pretty much spot on with what he said, i still get confused with weights myself lol.

If you need help feel free to shout me on twitter Roysho as much easier talking 1on1 for me. 

Weight = Horse Weight
OR = Is rating given to horse by handicapper for horses to carry more or less depending on its competition. 
Claimer = What weight gets taken off for an amateur jockey 

So if i use this as an example for today, Asitohappens in the 4:30 

Weight is 10-0 With OR of 88 and then jockey is carrying a 5lb claimer. When studying you can look for highest weights horses have won at, this helps with finding handicapped horses, which can get you some very good winners. 

So if we look at this horses last run it was 10-0, OR 92 and no claimer 

So on this one the horse its self hasn't gained any weight as you see it is still 10-0 but the handicapper has gave it a lower OR, so it's gone from 92 to 88 so its now 4lbs lighter than its last run, same with if weights change you can see what to do then. Then with claimers you take these away once you've worked out changes in weight and or so this time out has a 5lb claimer so then we take that away. So in total this horse is now 9lbs down it's last run. These things are worth looking at as you can find horses with very bad form where its gained to much weight or trainers have ran bad races on purpose. Getting it back down below its winning weights giving us a nice handicap where horses then tend to perform again. Hope this helps
   

Thx atlas! it helps more!! couldnt read this before, busy days. i will write u by twitter for sure mate!! thx for u help

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